Current Events

What were the specific activities complained of? What did they MEAN? To WHOM, and exactly WHEN?

What did the shooter FEEL, from what experience, or lack of experience... and so FEEL and THINK he was doing?

Don't all people sense the Golden Rule, Karmic Retribution, and their importance for living in peace for every one of us?...

Using the wrong metric prevents us from giving or receiving accurate assessments of the phase, relevance, and meaning of any behavior together!

In essence, their behavior with boys was assumed to be "sexual" because our social narrative has mistakenly missed the importance of affection based Eros enhancing, and a whole Phase of Male development with it!

How thinking Philosophically, outside the cultural box, can help us understand these culturally incriminating situations...

How can we determine the MEANING of behavior we have only been told about, to consider the various reactions involved, let alone determine the meaning of, if, either then or over time... something has changed?...

What direction should we take?...

The Jeffrey Epstein / Ghislaine Maxwell Dilemma...

• Posit: Every meaning is composed of both a background environment and a foreground event...

• What are the foreground and background of each accusation?

  • Were some associations of prior taught meaning spliced onto new situations?

    • By whom? At what time(s) in the length of each girl's growth and relating?

  • Were prior events, or ages at different times, being conflated with later ones?

• If we don't go PAST cultural fears turned into law we won't be getting to the ROOT meanings involved, we won't be able to understand what was really going on, and will be left without an accurate analysis or assessment because we would be assuming too much to actually know!

• We need to know both the background context environment, including its metric ideology, as well as foreground activities and their associated emotional dynamics, to determine an accurate picture, feeling, and comprehension for what was happening and how those involved felt about it, at what time or length of time.

• If we are left without a clear picture of what these components are, we are left with only a phantom of our imagination's creation, to deal with!

Let's begin at the beginning...

Consider the 4 Phases EACH sex naturally gives and receives...

Mothering (Attracting to herself, affectionate regard)

Fathering (Circulatory affectionate connecting and sharing)

Female Nature Nurturing

Affection based, Eros degrees enhancing Female growth regarding support

Male Nature Nurturing

Affection based, Eros degrees enhancing, Male growth regarding support

Mating (Female pheromones seducing DNA match)

Mating ( Male drive to impregnate DNA match)

Marriage ( family arrangements) or supported Independence

Lifestyle choice (Circulatory supporter, including flexible family arrangements, single life, and / or settling down)

Now... Consider what conflating these phases (especially with socially constructed and programmed goals and expectations) may cause us to feel or think OUT of natural context ...

And worse, what missing one or more phases can cause, emotionally! ...

GOMVP presents this section in an effort to help everyone better see the Philosophical implications of what may seem to be only Current Events, but represents much deeper thinking leading us to asking more intelligent questions about what seems to be obvious already, but needs more seriously academic clarifications to fathom. Please let us know what you think! And, while this is a site for males to understand ourselves better, females are welcome to think and comment at this level with us as well!

PS. We thank P2 for his Phases Chart above. He thought it would be helpful to our task here, and reminds us to look for it's fuller defining in one of his not yet published future PDF books on the subject of restoring and improving our masculinity (V1B4). He offered the tagline heading below as an interestingly appropriate  analogy for our discussion of this important social dilemma, one that prevents our understanding each other better, together.

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To solve this confusion, and the others noted above as well...

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General survival bonding

Personal relating bondings

General reproduction drives

Personal Love

The Phantom of the Ghislaine Maxwell-Jeffrey Epstein "Opera"...

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Humans were designed to both give and receive caringly loving feelings to both get through and appreciate the many stages of development and environmental accommodation it takes for biology to get us to the independent, caring beings our Positive Identities can offer today! So why would we rather abandon the GOOD Eros feelings life gave us to enjoy life and motivate meaningful relating with each other without developing it; so ready to condemn others trying to share it as a normal part of regarding our individual rights, that presumptions abounded, and accusations rained down, instead of trying to consider what it meant to whom!?

Initial Sketch: To see Ghislaine Maxwell is to see a warm, welcoming, intelligent, independent and caring woman who remembers what it was like to be a growing girl, and feels love for girls herself, especially in a Female Nature Nurturing (see 4 Phases Chart above) sense, particularly teens, and wants to help them see not only that other females besides their mothers can share loving feelings with them and help them grow in their Female Eros growth phase with intelligence, but that men need not be always thought of as needing to automatically avoid closeness with, as they might have been generally told earlier in their lives to prevent them getting babies way too early, but that many men can be kind and friendly and can regulate and control their Male Eros and Male Sexual feelings, when they've learned how to, especially in Phase 2, because life made us all, male and female, able to share enjoyable Eros by degrees, according to environments we're  born in.

@ 0-7

@ 7-17+

@ 13/18-50s

@ 7/18-life

[@ natural / societal inception-length]

We find ourselves lost in an obscurity of conflated meanings emanating from a misty background with ominous clouds rolling in, all threatening to douse the light of the only thing we have left to make sense of them ... not emotional demands, but reasoning minds!

So let's hypothesize by putting some of this human puzzle's parts on the table to work with

Contradictory seeming experiences and perceptions...

Contradictory seeming perceptions

If you would like to see P2 publish a fuller article on this subject, with a logical conclusion given his experience with males, transferred to females as well, to be shared as a logical option for thinking about this kind of issue, in our Store Opinion Section, just email below. Your nick name is fine, as are regular letters, to express your feelings. As P2 is already more than 3/4 of the way through his next release (V1B2) he will probably be short on time, but says he'll help if further work is requested.

Initial Sketch: To review Jeffrey Epstein's persona, via the pictures and videos extant in social media, is to see a man who seemed to almost always be in a good mood, and very relatable in his identity, positions and roles. His perceptions seemed to be in sync with a more basic humanity many like him... in touch with life itself and honest feelings we all have, felt freed and happy to join with him in sharing as larger family, world wide. The fact that he stressed natural relating with each other and neither condoned nor offered any illicit drugs at his many get togethers with the more successful people in life, speaks volumes to how his behavior was trusted by so many, who never saw him as a threat, but an opportunity to enjoy natural life and one's accomplishments with others who had become successful too.  That they overlooked troubles with court cases against him, could be because he reminded many of their own experiences with accusations from dealing with so many people, and the many misunderstandings that entails, as he did, themselves.  As an individual you have a sense of how trustworthy a person is by dealing with him personally, and how his relating with you helps you feel, much more so than how others somehow decided they could not. 

Among the cast of characters in this "Opera Populaire" were not only the many usual folks either Ghislaine or Jeffrey came in contact with daily, but heads of state and business as well, almost always marked by the open and outgoing personalities of people like Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates and many other Good men who enjoy dealing with people in all walks of life and helping them whenever they can.  So when we look for the "Phantom" behind this get together of so many interesting people in our own day and age, what we are looking for is the source of a "disfiguration" of some sort, that transforms people from being seen as good, as these people certainly are, especially when they were originally perceived, to becoming, for some, a curse that no one dare admit anything to do with and which drives otherwise productive and loving people to madness and ruin, not to mention intimidating the masses to vilify even his name... "Voldemort" style (as so adeptly portrayed in the Harry Potter saga). 

     In this philosophical analysis, let us realize that the ID of who this modern day "Phantom" may be can be quite different than the movie (2004 or earlier) and reflect a fear we have come to feel from all being warned of something which few seem to have anything more than either misrepresentatively extreme examples of, or values judgments about "any such thing", to refer to it with. To figure it out intelligently, we must do better!  Is it any wonder then,  that when we are all made to believe that there is something monsterous out there, invisible and hurting our kids, that even despite court cases convicting many in the name of it, few know how to identify such monsters from lack of actual experience, want to get every scrap of evidence they can to better understand just what really did happen, who really was hurt, how, and how such seemingly successful people could change their persona so quickly to become suspect as a monster... as if the old story of Jeckyl and Hyde somehow resurrected itself here.  Keep in mind that sometimes, such a monster is more in the mind of the beholder, than the physical world, and that simply associating anyone's physical presence, even with a possible monster, doesn't logically prove inferred or shared meanings of guilt.

     A philosopher's first impression of this scenario is one of nebulous contradictions to explore, and how a more communal misunderstanding could be at the center of the fears evoked, while still recognizing and trying to make sense of just why a few initial complaints could turn into so many (>10%) accusations, fervently pleading for help from saying they felt such a horrible experience that they had to tell a very frightful story. So let us also search for the stories we have not been able to hear to compare with...  original male voices; and note here that we are also looking to hear from original female voices with another side of the story than we have been led to believe so far, to tell, as well.

      Further,  as we listen more deeply to all sides, to better analyze the whole story here, let us continue to logically search for the truly elusive Phantom, destroying so many good lives. While continuing to offer comfort and understanding to any who felt victimized, by these events, let us honestly ask just what kind of mentality inflicted such fear and loathing, what actual activities evoked what  feelings, resulting in exactly what responses, then and later, not just values judgements on top of values judgements,  supporting each other. Thus, very possibly, all built on what we may find to be falsely construed premises.

• So many nebulous words and concepts being mixed together as if they all applied at the same time...

  • Terms such as "child," "sexual," "horror," "harmful," "creepy," "pedophilic," "dangerous", "molesters..."

    • Why are teenagers still called "children," when even 2,300 years ago children were those under 8, marital responsibility was given at 13, and both Eros and mating were seen as normal parts of life.

      • Thus, how could something so naturally normal as mere nakedness or touching be conceived to be horribly oppressive and Inappropriate... begging the question; "inappropriate to WHOM"... if only a relative few of the 200 some girls involved complained, it wasn't from life's feelings, and so probably came from others around them warning them sternly, disgustedly, and relentlessly.

What might Ghislaine have been trying to do?...

          Given her warm and friendly attitude and calm demeanor, Ghislaine could have been trying to give young girls the help either she wished she had at their age, and had found out was overgeneralized, or wanted to share what she found out about the human male that no one tells young girls... that they can be friendly, enjoyable, and share Eros to varying degrees if only they had learned it that way, and that girls could learn to control their own Female Eros development with older females first, to see that, as she may have learned, as well. If Ghislaine thought she was doing THAT, then she WASN’T guilty of “sexual abuse” with any girl, on an essential level,  just showing them what is appropriate to their age and level of Female Eros (something that is native, not frightening, enjoyable not painful, and helpful not harmful to young people's oneness with life...) which would reflect how genuinely she had real human female loving feelings for the girl as her own individual and unique human self; something that isn't understood in current codified social expectations, but in LIFE created feelings and intelligent social relating which our cultures are way too far behind in ever updating, for centuries. People have been made to feel emotionally intimidated from so much as thinking about let alone discussing this long overdue subject, with each successive generation trying to make worse punishments for the same assumed problematic behavior, often to "prove" their "adult" status, while not even trying to  separate the wheat of good Eros from the CHAFF of actual mating (“sexual exploiting”) displacement problems.

Every story has at least two scenario sides and sometimes many more...

So Let's sketch out a positive scenario rationale to counter the negative ones automatically assumed...

• When we hear so many values judgements:

  • Such as "sexual abuse," or "molesting" or "creepy," or "harmful," or "offensive," or "dangerous" ...

    • Why do we never hear what actually happened?... did a client slide off his covering during a massage and show a bare butt to be massaged too? Did he sport a boner with or without covering?

      • Thus, does "sexual abuse" mean actual mating before age 18, or simply seeing body parts or touching them or being touched by the person receiving the massage, and if so, with what attitude... appreciative or coercive? If we're told it's too horrible to say, it is more likely an excuse not to give the whole story.

    • if any penis-in-vagina sex happened, how old was the girl involved at THAT time... Was she 18 by then? Had she started working for Epstein as a masseur for a few years previous, then thought ready to engage in mating by then? And, was THAT activity at a different setting, with a girl's acceptance, and responsibility taken in terms of contraceptives or signed monetary remuneration? did Ghislaine even have anything to do with THAT activity, if it did happen at all?!

      • Thus, how could something so naturally normal as mere nakedness or touching be conceived to be horribly oppressive and Inappropriate... begging the question; "inappropriate to WHOM"... if only a relative few of the 200 some girls involved with Ghislaine offering them apprenticeship in massaging, complained after they learned about the work from her, and understood what would initially be expected of her, it wasn't from life's feelings, and so probably came from others around them having warned them sternly, disgustedly, and relentlessly, with what to them was the honorable purpose of preventing babies, but not giving the poor girl information as she grew to counter such a male-as-monster perception being continued too long, and Eros portrayed as nothing but veiled sex, prohibiting her from any of her own Eros feelings being developed for her to enjoy and make wise decisions about! Had she been kept as "mother's little girl (phase 1, approx 0-7) far past the girl and that kind of relating had moved into phase 2 Female Nature Nurturing? Leaving the girl with nightmares of males trying to hurt her?

    • Let us take a moment to clarify that "molesting" can be taken in many senses here. If you hear the word and assume it meant that the poor "child" had been physically injured, or even mentally overpowered, we could be wrong on both counts. Because it is more often used, especially in legal forums and courts to simply indicate that the current social expectation for a youth's growth path had been detoured from (thus "molested"). So if caring touching of a young person's body had been compartmentalized into only mothering sharing by cultural expectations, (even though the mother herself might have had Eros pleasure inside her for doing so), then anyone else doing so would be called "out of place" or "out of category" and thus molesting the path somehow (by whom, when, how?) made taboo, when before such conventions no such prohibitions were in place. Maintaining this convention, by the way, prevents girls from being able to see others as loving people, able to love her with warm and caring touches all over her body too, and makes many boys think that their own Fathers, who have the social approval to spank him if he disobeys his mother when he isn't there, but wonder "why doesn't my Father Love me (my Mom does,) why doesn't he ever touch me lovingly too?!" or "Why doesn't he ever get close enough to me to teach me about my own Male body and it's feelings?" Such a boy might say "I want a Father who is my best Friend, not just a disciplinarian!" or "I'm not in the Army... I don't have to think everyone coming close is my enemy!"

So, just to pique your curiosity, consider this...

In the preceding scenario, Ghislaine Maxwell is NOT the Phantom of this Opera, Nor is Jeffrey Epstein, Nor are any of the men receiving massages. If you think you understand this "best case" scenario, and want to compare your take with the scenario we're inviting readers to consider thinking about here, not only for the better understanding of this issue, but all males as well, (and the answer is on these pages, though indirectly,) you're welcome to write GOMVP via email, below ( just keep scrolling down this set of pages, to send your thoughts with a nickname you like).

Hint: It really helps to think philosophically about this issue (along with thinking how its various assumptions and meanings are being conflated between values judgments and automatic emotional responses, within a nebulous mist of hidden actual information, and seemingly unfathomable taboos) to see the whole story of what is multidimensionally going on, from a very high level... the 100,000 foot level needed!

Clue: When might it be the case, and what does it take, to realize that we can be THINKING about one issue generally and feeling accordingly to that thinking, while actually DOING something quite particularly else, in what may prove to be another entire context, at the very same time?

Latest Update: As of the latest Supreme Court rejection of a Ghislaine Maxwell appeal (Oct 2025) based on technical agreements between former prosecution and defense negotiations, the legalities reviewed may have been in order, but since legalities don't get to the heart and soul MEANINGS, the deeper meanings of the behaviors being referred to in these cases are still lost to a public who desperately want to know, but have thus prevented their own fuller recognition of. it is here that Philosophical Overview analysis and subsequent human intuiting insight are needed to reveal meanings not programmed into our present societal narrative and resultant laws and expectations. By understanding P2s philosophical overview and explanations, we can understand not only who or what the actual "Phantom" in this scenario IS, but why our society keeps making the same mistakes when it comes to the meanings of our own bodily activities, and what we need to do to understand each other better than current assumptions (which don't even try... and just rely on repeating preventative values judgements turned laws to "control" male behavior females only know one meaning for) stop us from doing.

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